Hmm.. I hadn't put those two together (Cedric being excited about EJB3 and being sick of lightweight containers)... Pretty funny!

As everyone involved in those 'lightweight' containers admits all the time, they did not invent anything amazing or new. No need to sulk for not being given credit for a very very trivial idea that almost everyone has been using implicitly for years!

Hi Aslak,

Personally I was happy to credit you and the rest of the lightweight container movement on my web site:
http://www.scottcrawford.com/ejb30faq.html

And I wrote this before I saw your entry. I am happy to share credit and grateful for your inputs. I suspect the rest of the EJB EG would say the same.

I think the spec should address the lightweight container itself then service should have their own spec. Services should be decoupled from the container and only need follow a very minimal interface allow the user to pick and choose services not only containers. IMHO, the lightweight container approach is still closer to the best practice than even EJB 3.0.

Hibernate Rocks I agree
But Spring Rocks++
And its just plain rude not to credit the contrbution Rod and the Spring guys have to thinking in current software development

cheers Rob

From what I read in EJB3 the real innovation is CMP and annotations. The notions of annotations have been around for a long time at microsoft. There is nothing new here. That Hibernate gets credit is normal, OR mapping is difficult and they got it right. EJB3 is exciting, finally it is what I always wanted from EJB. Does anyone know when implementations will be available?

Rereading your post aslak,

seeing that linda gives extensive credit to Gavin and no one else, it tells me that she owes Gavin and no one else.

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WebLogic 9.0 and ejb3 development can be done now. Its great to have these tools available in feb2006. EJB3 is definitly different from HIBERNATE. We are talking about EJB3 for session beans, message driven beans. Even persistence layer is also quiet different from hibernate. All other app servers also have preview versions.

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